Is there a point in playing dragoon?

[Benito]

I like the job Dragoon, however since ive been told by just about everyone that we have been gimped so much that playing one is a bad idea since all the good dps falls elsewhere. Warrior, sam, and other DD jobs have other functions then just pure DD. Dragoons cannot tank, they do not place severely high in Damage output, and are generally otherwise outclassed by the other jobs. End Game no one wants them. Yet, at the same time, Dragoons are fun to play with and the af looks great on my taru. Has anyone heard of any rumors to upgrade dragoons for end game? Because I would really like to be part of the end game experience and actually wanted by multiple parties. And i'd prefer to do that without WHM.

[Kiona]

I'd say you won't get flooded with invites on dragoon, nor will you feel immensely useful in parties.  While dragoons can do top-tier damage in exp (not noticed as much since they specialize in shedding hate and spreading damage to around between them and their wyvern), they don't assist the other members of an exp party very much.  Aside from Double Thrust (the first WS you get), they don't have many skillchain options until 65+, and by then the (false) mindset is established that they're not so great.  Samurais facilitate skillchains which make black mages happy.  In addition, a smart samurai can take some hits (with saigon) if a tank is struggling.  Warriors ARE tanks for a while, until around level 40 when they start to come into their own as a DD-only job with off-tank abilities.  It's hard to compare.

On the other side of things, dragoons make one of the best soloing DD jobs in the game (except maybe drks now?).  Healing breath is seriously hax.  Also, Dragoons are relatively cheap to fund since they don't make use of the more pricey body pieces (Scorpion Harness, Haubergeon).  This comes at the price of the eternal "LFG", as anyone who's leveled a strictly DD job knows.

I would advise trying to pick another power-house DD job instead.  Warrior, Monk, Samurai, Ninja would be my first choices.  But even monk and samurai have trouble with invites sometimes, and warrior too.  Ninjas only get invite spams because they tank.

But if you want to be a really desired job, play a mage.  White mage, red mage, bard, corsair, blue mage - all these jobs get invites way too fast, and aren't that expensive to fund (compared to getting great DD gear, which can make you poor very fast).

That's just my take on it though.  I'm really biased because I can't stand LFG for more than an hour or two, it just feels like wasting time.  If you really like dragoon, though, play it.  But make sure you plan to form your own parties, lest you be forced to deal with eternal LFGing.

[omnibahumut]

Are they still saying this, or saying this again? Don't listen to them, do what you want- you'll learn more.

[Tanat]

Yeah, pretend your Cid. That's what Omni did.

[Benito]

lol, nice you guys, very nice. Can I be freya? Only a guy and a lot smaller?

[Kerbouchard]

But Cid had a half chewn cigar and cursed alot  

[omnibahumut]

But Cid had a half chewn cigar and cursed alot 

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Edit: I'm retarded

[Koehdeth]

Well... first of all, i have never heard anyone say that, i've only ever heard ppl say they've heard ppl say that.  They've been "balanced" twice... once, their infinite tp was removed, cause its infinite tp and was an oversight by SE.  The second time, they were beefed up by getting an actual two hour, and able to summon their wyverns every 20 mins.

Dragoons are one of the best damage dealers in game, AND they don't get hate thanks to their high jump and super jump.  Polearms are frickin awesome at skillchaining... almost everything makes distortion off of a polearm, and if theres a paladin with you you can make Fusion.  If you go /sam, your tp is gross.  I'd take a dragoon ANY day of the week over the most pimped out monk.  Play ninja only if you're willing to sink gil into the elemental wheel.  Warriors are okay i guess, but i encounter them so rarely i couldn't really comment on them.

At end-game, dynamis wise anyways... warrior and dragoon you'll have very little competition for relic.  Whereas on redmage, I almost always have 8 ppl competing against me, and thats in a relatively small linkshell.  At endgame, it doesn't matter what DD jobs can do besides the fact... they are just plain ol' DD, nothing more.  And dragoon is even better in that regard, cause you will not be stealing hate from the tank.

Is there a point to playing dragoon?  If you get something out of it.  If you don't like whitemage, don't play it.  Will people want dragoon?  Sure.  They need 3 random dds to make a party.  But since most of the jobs in the game are DD, how often you get a party depends on how many are seeking at your level, and what your rank is.



In all honesty, if you want to know what dragoon is like end-game... get it to end-game.

[Feryl]

Only times i ever had a prob with drg is after they join the pt and that particular person ends up phailing at life. but thats not a drg thing, thats just a player thing.  Other than that I've seen drgs do nice dmg, you just have to take into account that little flying rat next to them that's picking away at the mob the whole time.  

[omnibahumut]

Only times i ever had a prob with drg is after they join the pt and that particular person ends up phailing at life. but thats not a drg thing, thats just a player thing.  Other than that I've seen drgs do nice dmg, you just have to take into account that little flying rat next to them that's picking away at the mob the whole time. 

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Not a rat ; ;

[Feryl]

Not a rat ; ;

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No... a flying rat... :x /runaway  

[omnibahumut]

No... a flying rat... :x /runaway 

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In that case, sleep with one eye open, because I foresee a "flying rat" in your future

[Feryl]

In that case, sleep with one eye open, because I foresee a "flying rat" in your future

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/panic  
shit, first little cement demons, now flying rats.....
Make love not war.

[Brightblade]

In that case, sleep with one eye open, because I foresee a "flying rat" in your future

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O.o
you're going to sic tenka on feryl? wtf feryl RUN AWAY!! run fer yer lyf3!!

[Feryl]

O.o
you're going to sic tenka on feryl? wtf feryl RUN AWAY!! run fer yer lyf3!!

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lmfao!! cool points went up .5 for that one BB.  HAXXX

[Brightblade]

lmfao!! cool points went up .5 for that one BB.  HAXXX

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ty ty  

[Pierce]

I'd say you won't get flooded with invites on dragoon, nor will you feel immensely useful in parties.  While dragoons can do top-tier damage in exp (not noticed as much since they specialize in shedding hate and spreading damage to around between them and their wyvern), they don't assist the other members of an exp party very much.  Aside from Double Thrust (the first WS you get), they don't have many skillchain options until 65+, and by then the (false) mindset is established that they're not so great.  Samurais facilitate skillchains which make black mages happy.  In addition, a smart samurai can take some hits (with saigon) if a tank is struggling.  Warriors ARE tanks for a while, until around level 40 when they start to come into their own as a DD-only job with off-tank abilities.  It's hard to compare.

On the other side of things, dragoons make one of the best soloing DD jobs in the game (except maybe drks now?).  Healing breath is seriously hax.  Also, Dragoons are relatively cheap to fund since they don't make use of the more pricey body pieces (Scorpion Harness, Haubergeon).  This comes at the price of the eternal "LFG", as anyone who's leveled a strictly DD job knows.

I would advise trying to pick another power-house DD job instead.  Warrior, Monk, Samurai, Ninja would be my first choices.  But even monk and samurai have trouble with invites sometimes, and warrior too.  Ninjas only get invite spams because they tank.

But if you want to be a really desired job, play a mage.  White mage, red mage, bard, corsair, blue mage - all these jobs get invites way too fast, and aren't that expensive to fund (compared to getting great DD gear, which can make you poor very fast).

That's just my take on it though.  I'm really biased because I can't stand LFG for more than an hour or two, it just feels like wasting time.  If you really like dragoon, though, play it.  But make sure you plan to form your own parties, lest you be forced to deal with eternal LFGing.

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Wow, Kiona gets two awesome points for a well reasoned article using loads of specifics and proving that she seriously knows her shit.

Edit:
Changed Kiona's title on the linklist to "FFXI Guru"

[Cowlander]

Wow, Kiona gets two awesome points for a well reasoned article using loads of specifics and proving that she seriously knows her shit.

Edit:
Changed Kiona's title on the linklist to "FFXI Guru"

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PROTIP: Kiona is a man.

[omnibahumut]

PROTIP: Kiona is a man.

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[Maple Tip]: Cow is THE man

[Brightblade]

[Maple Tip]: Cow is THE man

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[Tipping Tip]: Don't mess with THE MAN

[Feryl]

Wow, Kiona gets two awesome points for a well reasoned article using loads of specifics and proving that she seriously knows her shit.

Edit:
Changed Kiona's title on the linklist to "FFXI Guru"

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Dude..... lol not to repeat what Cow said but.... lmao Kiona's a guy.

[Pierce]

A guy with a vagoo ... I see.

[Cowlander]

A guy with a vagoo ... I see.

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That would make her a woman.

[Benito]

Will anyone really ever want a drg with whm as sub? I have gotten a lot of invites so far, but later on im guessing fewer and fewer.

[Cowlander]

Will anyone really ever want a drg with whm as sub? I have gotten a lot of invites so far, but later on im guessing fewer and fewer.

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I can't really speak from personal experience how effective they are in exp parties, but I remember Omni used to go DRG/WHM when we used to dick around in SSG and whatnot and it was pretty handy when we didn't have a healer.

[Kiona]

whoa, I'm not mommy's helper anymore?  Sweet, thanks Pierce.

Edit: Lies!  Title is same T_T

And I'm secretly a futa, but shhh don't tell anyone.

White mage sub offers next to nothing in terms of DD, which is what you'll be invited to parties to do later on.  But your subjob determines the abilities of your wyvern!  A fighter sub (like warrior) will make the wyvern do breath attacks when you WS, but with some mage subs (like whm... I think it's different for blm sub) your wyvern will actually cast high level cure spells on anyone in your party that's hurt whenever you cast ANY healing magic.

Later on, this means you can cast poisona on yourself (what... 6 mp?) and your wyvern will cure you for over 200 hp!!  Normally, curing 200 hp costs 48 mp for a whm, so you can heal 1600 hp in the same amount of mp a white mage cures 200!  That's immense, and great for duo/solo/trio.

But obviously you can't main heal with that, there's just too much to do in a party (though it's an interesting idea, you'd have to rest a lot which means no spearing).  You'll be invited to do damage 99% of the time, and that means (dun dun dun) war sub, since it offers the most in terms of offense (you can't bypass berserk, attack boosts, and provoke ESPECIALLY as dragoon where you can shed the hate from provoke in seconds).

Overall though, of course, be versatile.  You probably don't have to worry about this til level 20+, or even 30+, but at 30 you REALLY need to consider warrior sub because berserk is pure sex.  Sneak attack is lame, don't use it, pleeeeeease.

Umm... yeah >_>b  Gogo dragoon powa!

[Feryl]

A fighter sub (like warrior) will make the wyvern do breath attacks when you WS, but with some mage subs (like whm... I think it's different for blm sub) your wyvern will actually cast high level cure spells on anyone in your party that's hurt whenever you cast ANY healing magic.

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>.>;; Does that mean if I was a drg/blm and I casted stone on something..... my wyvern would D2 MY PT MEMBERS?!! <.<!!....>.>!!.......... Must lvl drg  

[Cowlander]

whoa, I'm not mommy's helper anymore?  Sweet, thanks Pierce.

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No lol. Forum title and linkshell title are separate. Get ur post count up sucka

[Kiona]

>.>;; Does that mean if I was a drg/blm and I casted stone on something..... my wyvern would D2 MY PT MEMBERS?!! <.<!!....>.>!!.......... Must lvl drg 

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Chance to cast d2 on itself in the event of Feryl dragoon  

[Feryl]

Chance to cast d2 on itself in the event of Feryl dragoon 

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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!! >.>!! WHO GIVES YOU YOUR INFORMATION... WHOO!!! @.@