StrengthInLunacy Members please Read

[Faranim]

Okay, so here's the deal.

As many of you may already know, I am Faranim, leader of the StrengthInLunacy linkshell on Seraph.

We currently have around 20-30 members, however there is usually no more than 10 members online at any given time.  We are a social linkshell and the majority of our members are level 50-60.

Several of our members have recently reached level 70 and are planning on moving to a HNM linkshell (myself included).  This brings about several issues:

1.  I won't be around anymore in the linkshell.  Meaning there will be no control over ownership of Pearlsacks, and no main person to talk to about "stuff"

2.  The loss of our higher level (and most active) players will likely make the linkshell much quieter, and I would really hate to see it fall apart.

So, I'm proposing to my linkshell to merge with Neobahumuts linkshell.  I think there's plenty of good reasons for this.  Obviously, a larger linkshell will provide more people to help you out with stuff.  Also, I think having a linkshell website and forums is really REALLY cool.  It makes planning events MUCH easier.

I'm hoping that you all come here and reply with opinions regarding this suggestion.  If enough people think this is a good idea, we will permanantly merge with Neobahumut.  Of course, if you feel that the merge is unnecessary and you want to continute without us higher levels, that is another option.

As sad as I am to leave StrengthInLunacy go, I'm afraid I don't have much choice.

Please post with feedback and opinions regarding this merge.  To be honest, even if I wasn't joining a HNM Linkshell I think making the linkshell larger would be a great idea and I wish I could be a part of it.

-Faranim

[omnibahumut]

I dont have a problem with this, other than I dont know how comfortable I would feel doubling the Size of the LS. From my experiance, I've liked having a small LS because it's easyer to manage, and everyone is close friends. The problem with big LS is that it becomes less personal, and some members may be over-looked.

Anyway, here are my thoughts:

Big LS[/span] (I would imagine that we may be rather big after the merge)
--More resources
--More influance on nation's control (neobahumut is currently primaraly Sandorian)
--members may be overlooked (unintentionally ignored when asking a question)


[span style=\'font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\']Small LS[/b]
--personal
--harder to organize events
--members can be more willing to help, but may not always be able

[coreno]

I personally would like to see an estimate of the average number of people on in the LS at any given time and how many people would be on during peaktime.

I know this would be hard to estimate, but still possible.
Sorta...
maybe...

[Faranim]

I personally would like to see an estimate of the average number of people on in the LS at any given time and how many people would be on during peaktime.

I know this would be hard to estimate, but still possible.
Sorta...
maybe...

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For our linkshell there's very rarely more than 10 people online.  Not counting the 4 of us that will be leaving, I'd say average is 4-5 people, and peak time is 8-10.

We all live in various time zones so people are on at different times.

[Danielsan]

My only question is, who will be merging into which LS? Will Neobahumuts be joining SiL or vice versa? I for one, am not ready to toss my SiL pearlsack away, and I have a feeling some of the NeoBahumut members feel the same way.

[Aegin_the_Gallant]

Faranim's right, it would really only seem like you have 4-5 new members at any one time, though some of us are on all the time (like me ^^).

I agree with Danielsan though, regardless of which way it goes, I still wanna keep my SiL linkpearl (what can I say, I'm proud of it).  

[omnibahumut]

Just the other day Royalblue (I think that was his name) sent me a tell asking to merge with the LS as well, because I guess whatever LS he is from has ties to SiL, and will be falling apart when you guys go to the HNM shell.

Anyone know who he is?

[Guest]

If thats the exact spelling of the name (I know there are a few "royalblue"s out there), then I think I've done some BCNMs with him. other than that, I cant really vouch for him... but I think one of my friends may be in his LS...

[coreno]

My only question is, who will be merging into which LS? Will Neobahumuts be joining SiL or vice versa? I for one, am not ready to toss my SiL pearlsack away, and I have a feeling some of the NeoBahumut members feel the same way.

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I've already talked to this with Omni, and I think it will be one of the biggest issues.

No one will want to give up thier current pearl/sack/shell, that's a given. So they'd likly keep the perl/sack/shell- even if no one goes there.

An option is to create a whole new shell.

But, no matter what we do... who's going to be the leader? Who's going to get sacks?

[Keichan]

Hmm, this can be a problem.  The one thing to consider is that Strength In Lunacy, the actual LS is pretty well known due to the BCNM40 The Bard's View that is going around in the internet.  I'd always like to have that LS around, even though the actual people that were in the video are the ones that are moving to the HNM LS.  

Leadership and the holder of the actual shell can be a problem.  Without a shell holder that acts like an "actual" leader, a LS will never lift off ground.  I think the current members that has sacks should be the ones that keep the sacks in the new LS.  I guess we can each nominate a person from each of the LS to be the shell holder, and then negotiate from there.

I'd still want Strength in Lunacy as the actual name of the LS though.  You will retain a very good name.  But since I'm one of the people who is leaving Strength in Lunacy, I'm not sure if I have much say in the matter=P.  Just a suggestion=P.

[omnibahumut]

Hmm, this can be a problem.  The one thing to consider is that Strength In Lunacy, the actual LS is pretty well known due to the BCNM40 The Bard's View that is going around in the internet.  I'd always like to have that LS around, even though the actual people that were in the video are the ones that are moving to the HNM LS. 
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I'm not quite sure if I understand what you are saying in that paragraph. As for the actual name of the linkshell, I can understand why you would want to keep the name of "StrengthInLunacy". But here is the problem I face:
I JUST created neobahumut.com for my LS. I dont even have all the pages up yet, and now we're going to merge into a LS with a differant name?

Of course, members of both linkshells will keep thier old pearl, unless this turns out to be a huge sucess. (which is possible).

So, perhaps we combine the names of the 2 LS's. "NeoLunacy" or something. But the members of neobahumut and StrengthInLunacy can still keep thier old pearls, and remain part of smaller LS's, and we still have something to fall back on if this new one fails somehow (I dont think that will happen, if we all cooperate).

Here is something else I'd like to know, and it's more of a favor rather than anything else, may even sound greedy to some. But would the HNM LS (forgot the name already), would they be willing to help us out as we need to do AF quests, missons, and genkai quests? The only person I know real well that is going to be in the HNM shell is Baudan, and he has done an awful a lot as far as helping out my LS. I dont expect you guys to be our slaves or anything, but I was just wondering what relationship would the merged LS have with the HNM?

[Bahumut]

Well, i would be all for a merger, it would certainly be nice to have a few more players around my lvl, but i am a little worried about how big the shell would actually be. As for ideas about making a whole new shell, i'm not really sure many ppl would ever vist it, i think they'd stay in their original shell (i know i would).

[coreno]

I've thought on this for a bit, and this is what everything is boiled down to:
It's only right that neobahumut stays because SIL is the one that proposed the merger (correct?). neobahumut has also just opened a website on it's own domain.

The primary reason for this merger is Faranim, the shell holder, will no longer be a member, which essentially breaks a linkshell.

I am not the leader of neo, but I am a pearlsack holder and would make sure that the new members would feel they fit in and are treated like a LS member should be. I would also like to see current sack holders have a sack in neo.

But the only way to make this go down smoothly is to make sure you have this site set as the lsmes and get people to come and post.

[Dray]

aye thats what I was thinking myself.. I find it vaguely annoying that the group that proposed the very idea of the merger turns it from a merger into absorbing neobahumut as they are not able to contiue with the way they are at the moment.. I brook no offense in saying that, but your highest levels and LS holder are leaving, so you come to us and ask us to forgoe the name of neobahumut (when as omni said, has registered the domain and forums for all of this) and move to your name...

I personally am all for the merger, but I'm against having to create a new LS for this, or having 2 LSs as another person said earlier (with 2 LSs you split active people, it undermines the concept of it and since theres no member cap of LP holders its not an issue).

Also I'm among the group of not wanting to give up the neobahumut LP in itself =\ I joined because I liked the LS and I knew a fair share of people in it (and then the pearl just 'appeared' in my inventory), and the neon green of neobahumut is fairly distinctive (not many groups use it, a few more are popping up now tho >_>)

[theRefused]

I think we should create one new Linkshell.

I would love to talk with new people, and it would be nice to have more higher levels around. We can see how it goes for a week or so and take a vote?

I nominate the richest people to buy the actual pearl though  

[omnibahumut]

Well, I guess things have recently have happened withing SiL, and now I dont have any Idea as to whats going on....

we can only hope Faranim posts again  =\

[quish]

Seeing as to how I havent put in my 2 cents yet:

First off, getting rid of neobahumut and us going to SiL = no.  Without question.  The LEADER of SiL is leaving, and the way I see it its the lower ranking people of SiL left behind, not to say that they're low level or inexperienced or anything, I'm speaking relatively within their linkshell.  So, as I see it we have a full linkshell in neobahumut, leader, high levelled/experienced players and all, so why should we be put a level below the lower standing people of another linkshell?

Second, as Bahumut stated if a new linkshell was put together few people would go to it.  Many would stay in the original linkshells unless EVERYONE moved, which would be unlikely at best to accomplish.  On top of this, Omni's put a lot of work into a great thing here with www.neobahumut.com, and that would also go to waste if we were to lose neobahumut.

Third option: SiL moves to neobahumut.  I believe for this merger is to go forth this is the only reasonable solution.  Understandably omni doesnt want the LS to get overcrowded, and it's got a nice homely atmosphere as is^^.  But at the same time, we always get excited when we see that there are 20some people online in our LS which is rare, for there are normally around 8-10 on average.  Having a constant 20some people could always be nice.  Plus, there is strength in numbers.  We will more easily be able to assist each other, as well as be better equipped to assist the newer lower levelled players that may require help.  Now, assuming this approach is taken the MAIN problem is from the standpoint of current SiL members who may not be willing to relinquish their pearls and/or sacks.  I fully understand this, not necessarily from the standpoint of usefulness of the sacks and such but more of the pride that is achieved through holding them.  As such, In order to keep the merger fair the only solution would be to allow current leaders within the SiL linkshell to have pearlsacks within neo.  Now being a member of neobahumut I don't want it to be that we are handing over our linkshell to a group of people many of us do not even know.   So, to remedy this my suggestion is as follows: Within the SiL linkshell, nominate those of you who you feel deserve a sack if a merger is to take place.  Since I am unknowing of the numbers of "leaders" within your shell, I could not say how many exactly this would include but I'd imagine 3 or 4 people.  From there, all SiL members would recieve pearls and be brought into neobahumut.  For the first week or so, omni (who is our leader, as I'm sure you must all know by now) could see how each of those selected people acts around the linkshell and towards others, and from there omni would be able to select perhaps 2 or 3 (if not all) of those chosen by SiL to be given pearlsacks.


Thats my opinion, take it as you will... and theref you big homo, shells are only 8k for christ's sake you cheap bastard ... I'll buy you 20 if you really want. geez.

[Faranim]

Long time no post ~_~   I've been busy working a Summer Internship.

Well, the Switch into HNM Linkshell occurred a long time ago, and I have no idea what happened to SiL.  Every time I check nobody is on it.  I think all the other members just joined other shells.

Good Luck to the rest of you, I hope you have lots of fun  

[omnibahumut]

Long time no post ~_~   I've been busy working a Summer Internship.

Well, the Switch into HNM Linkshell occurred a long time ago, and I have no idea what happened to SiL.  Every time I check nobody is on it.  I think all the other members just joined other shells.

Good Luck to the rest of you, I hope you have lots of fun 

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Baudan started his own LS, and I think thats were most of those members went.