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« on: June 11, 2007, 09:10:49 AM » |
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Ok, my max elemental magic (using NQ wind staff and not ice day so no Shiva's ring for +10 elem magic) is 328. I still get resisted like, all the time on Kirin. Only consistent nuke I have is Elemental Seal Aeroga III. I get a few lucky ones here and there. I think for the whole 1.5 hours or however long we fought kirin last night, I got unresisted like 7 times on nukes. Question is, does anyone think a HQ wind staff will be better, or should I spring for that Elemental Earring. I know the HQ wind staff is an extra 5% dmg, very nice, but is the extra accuracy rate better than +3 elemental magic? I suppose this is a no brainer, hell, if i had my way i'd get both, but i'll probably bareyly be able to afford just one of them. I just hope that spending that 900k on the Auster's will actually be worth it. Hmm, as a side thought I should spring for AF2 hat..  heh, fat chance of that shit.  |
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2007, 03:34:07 PM » |
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Chi Blast was hitting for ~1100, I didn't notice any resists. /shrug
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2007, 03:59:56 PM » |
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Chi Blast was hitting for ~1100, I didn't notice any resists. /shrug [snapback]17191[/snapback] >.> freakin mnks. ...... is there ANYTHING out there that resists Chi Blast? I don't think so. >.> Wish I could just pile on an ass load of +int gear and do thousands of dmg without worrying about resists.  |
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2007, 04:59:55 PM » |
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Auster's Staff was down to 650k last time i checked... but they fluctuate sometimes, so don't quote me on that.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2007, 05:43:56 PM » |
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I've done a lot of research on it, and there's interesting posts about it everywhere, but the crux comes down to this: Elemental Magic has diminishing returns. Yeah, forreal. (Edit: the magic number seems to be 320 elemental magic skill) The best thing you can do for resists on kirin is to try to get 120+ INT without sacrificing too much elemental magic. It's not that 120 INT is a tier or anything, but INT -DOES- affect resist rates, and some blms have attempted kirin with a 120+ int setup and had substantially fewer resists. Of course, you still have to keep elemental skill relatively high. HQ staff will help a lot though, more than 3 elemental magic, for sure! Edit: Link |
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2007, 08:03:47 AM » |
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I've done a lot of research on it, and there's interesting posts about it everywhere, but the crux comes down to this: Elemental Magic has diminishing returns. Yeah, forreal. (Edit: the magic number seems to be 320 elemental magic skill) The best thing you can do for resists on kirin is to try to get 120+ INT without sacrificing too much elemental magic. It's not that 120 INT is a tier or anything, but INT -DOES- affect resist rates, and some blms have attempted kirin with a 120+ int setup and had substantially fewer resists. Of course, you still have to keep elemental skill relatively high. HQ staff will help a lot though, more than 3 elemental magic, for sure! Edit: Link[snapback]17196[/snapback] Hmm, it's hardly a case study or anything. But last kirin fight, i remember at the end Vallis loaded me up with dual +int songs, and the first spell after that (Aero IV) landed for full, then Aero III landed for like 3/4 I think. Better than i'd seen for most of the night. Think I had somethin sick like +60 INT. Edit: Read the post....... one thing they don't mention at all is Magic Attack Bonus.... which I have lots of...... Hmmm, maybe for next Kirin i'll try ditching some MAB for +int stuff and see what happens. Personally I think it'll just kill my dmg, but maybe I won't get resisted so much, if thats the case then i'm all for it. Aero IV for 400 is better than Aero IV for 76. |
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2007, 09:09:52 AM » |
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yeah, MAB is just straight damage, no effect on resists =3
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2007, 09:49:45 AM » |
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yeah, MAB is just straight damage, no effect on resists =3 [snapback]17209[/snapback] /sigh..... but it's so nice.  |
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2007, 10:35:59 AM » |
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>.> freakin mnks. ...... is there ANYTHING out there that resists Chi Blast? I don't think so. >.> Wish I could just pile on an ass load of +int gear and do thousands of dmg without worrying about resists. [snapback]17192[/snapback] The Watch Wamoura in the ISNM60 "Tough Nut to Crack" is resistant to Chi Blast when it's in its closed form. |
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2007, 11:02:39 AM » |
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The Watch Wamoura in the ISNM60 "Tough Nut to Crack" is resistant to Chi Blast when it's in its closed form. [snapback]17213[/snapback] ..... Thank you... the ONE mob you can name lol. Well, you can have your silly Chi Blast. At least I don't have to power up dragon ball z style to unleash that kinda dmg AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....................... *comercial break* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *cut to another scene for a few seconds of ppl with  faces* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *comercial break* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *more faces* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ....................... CHIBLAST[/color]silly mnks Edit: I suck at closing tags. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2007, 12:14:38 PM » |
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I've been trying to figure out the accuracy on kirin too..except i was looking at gravity...
I prolly dont have as much enfeebling + gear as alot of other rdms..(ie. relic hat and nashira pants?)
but i do have alot merits in enfeebling + wind accuracy..and I got an austere staff
I think austere staff definitely helps...but not sure about enfeebling because i've seen other rdms with substantially more enfeebling + than me but still gets resisted as much as i do sometimes.. i say int+ definitely a must for a rdm...
the one time I got almost very few resistant on kirin with gravity was during a windsday...gravity almost always landed...
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2007, 12:24:26 PM » |
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ZOMG TENKA U ARE TEH BACKZ!!!! /joy {Welcome Back!} |
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2007, 12:33:40 PM » |
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no that wasnt me..u prolly just hacked into my account and replied to ur own thread...
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2007, 12:38:32 PM » |
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no that wasnt me..u prolly just hacked into my account and replied to ur own thread... [snapback]17218[/snapback] wouldn't be the first time i've made multiple replys to my own shit. lol |
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2007, 02:33:08 PM » |
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wouldn't be the first time i've made multiple replys to my own shit. lol [snapback]17219[/snapback] So, you talk to yourself often? And you can make fun of Chi Blast all you want, but when you're favorite jobs role in most endgame scenarios revolves around a single job ability...it's nice to actually have said ability be powerful. |
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2007, 02:57:21 PM » |
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So, you talk to yourself often? And you can make fun of Chi Blast all you want, but when you're favorite jobs role in most endgame scenarios revolves around a single job ability...it's nice to actually have said ability be powerful. [snapback]17222[/snapback] lol ya, at least you have your purpose. Could be worse lol. As for talkin to myself, ...lol there's nothin wrong with that, only when you answer is there a real problem. |
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2007, 03:08:39 PM » |
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EH! Wrong answer Chuck...
Its ok to talk to yourself
Its ok to talk to yourself and answer
Just never talk to yourself, answer, and go "Huh!?!?"
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2007, 03:16:26 PM » |
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EH! Wrong answer Chuck... Its ok to talk to yourself Its ok to talk to yourself and answer Just never talk to yourself, answer, and go "Huh!?!?" [snapback]17224[/snapback] ....... ok....  |
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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2007, 03:55:45 PM » |
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I can just see it now...Feryl being the first person that has to censor his conversations with himself.
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2007, 07:53:59 PM » |
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..... Thank you... the ONE mob you can name lol. Well, you can have your silly Chi Blast. At least I don't have to power up dragon ball z style to unleash that kinda dmg AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....................... *comercial break* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *cut to another scene for a few seconds of ppl with faces* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *comercial break* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *more faces* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ....................... CHIBLAST[/color]silly mnks Edit: I suck at closing tags. [snapback]17214[/snapback] You just basically summed up every entire fight in the DBZ series. |
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2007, 06:11:24 AM » |
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Hey Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his power level?
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2007, 07:25:35 AM » |
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You just basically summed up every entire fight in the DBZ series. [snapback]17239[/snapback] lol yeah, pretty much. |
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2007, 11:45:25 AM » |
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Hey Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his power level? [snapback]17245[/snapback] don't start |
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2007, 12:36:53 PM » |
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don't start [snapback]17271[/snapback] IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND! |
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2007, 12:53:48 PM » |
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IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND! [snapback]17273[/snapback] no wai... btw... have you tried sticking that DoT that lowers mnd (mag def) before nucking or would that be worthless? |
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2007, 12:56:46 PM » |
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Kirin's response to Feryl...  |
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2007, 01:10:09 PM » |
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no wai... btw... have you tried sticking that DoT that lowers mnd (mag def) before nucking or would that be worthless? [snapback]17277[/snapback] I have yet to stick any sort of enfeeb besides Choke (wind based) on him. I'm going to attempt that thing kio brought up with the 320/120 ratio. |
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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2007, 10:37:19 AM » |
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need 15 merit points to cap elemental magic -.-
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2007, 11:13:26 AM » |
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need 15 merit points to cap elemental magic -.- [snapback]17332[/snapback] Same for enfeebling. But i think i'm gonna do it to correspond with my rdm lvl. Like when it dings 40 i'll put a 4th upgrade into it, so on and so forth. |
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2007, 02:57:37 PM » |
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i need merrits >.> i still need to get Sange, Ninjutsu, Subtle Blow, Katana, Axe, Sword, Evasion, Vit, Hp, Mp, Warrior's Charge, Tomahawk, Agressive Aim, Shield Bash, Cover...
as you can see i still need lotsa merrits, so count me in when you go merrit =p
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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2007, 03:07:22 PM » |
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i need merrits >.> i still need to get Sange, Ninjutsu, Subtle Blow, Katana, Axe, Sword, Evasion, Vit, Hp, Mp, Warrior's Charge, Tomahawk, Agressive Aim, Shield Bash, Cover... as you can see i still need lotsa merrits, so count me in when you go merrit =p [snapback]17336[/snapback] Need, enfeeb, sword, shield, mp, mp, more mp, ..... Tornado II, lvl 2 Burst II, and maybe Flare II. MERITS MERITS I NEEDS MERITS!! |
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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2007, 07:05:08 PM » |
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IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND! [snapback]17273[/snapback] I have an old old jet li movie where one random monk is like "if my power level is 9 thousand, his must be over 10 thousand!" or some shit like that... and i'm like, "wtf, is this the predecessor to dbz??" But it was only mentioned once in the movie ever, so I guess he was just a fan. EDIT:  I always forget the original point of the thread once I start reading the posts. |
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Need, enfeeb, sword, shield, mp, mp, more mp, ..... Tornado II, lvl 2 Burst II, and maybe Flare II. MERITS MERITS I NEEDS MERITS!! [snapback]17344[/snapback] Ummmm, Crit. -1 H2H - 1 Kick Attack - 1 Counter -3 Pennance -2 Formless Strikes -1 Invigorate -2 |
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